tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post6216038515629451051..comments2024-03-24T00:12:23.882-07:00Comments on 3Jack Golf Blog: AimPoint Golf Aim Chart ReviewRich H.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00619151630318195719noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-37652939623830343242012-11-09T22:39:05.769-08:002012-11-09T22:39:05.769-08:00Hi,
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/Interesting for me//<br />/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-40836955887367204652010-11-19T03:22:41.195-08:002010-11-19T03:22:41.195-08:00Dear John,
I appreciate your allowing me to RESPO...Dear John,<br /><br />I appreciate your allowing me to RESPOND. I'm not trying to preach, just sharing the "traditional" view about golf as opposed to the "get a low score somehow" crowd out there these days whenever asked. That's not the "illegal" thing again -- that's a "golf thing" without outside assistance of any kind once the round begins. Golfer, course, one ball, 14 clubs. That's it.<br /><br />GeoffGeoff Mangumhttp://puttingzone.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-41378813493415789622010-11-18T18:21:32.692-08:002010-11-18T18:21:32.692-08:00Geoff,
The whole illegal thing again? I had hoped...Geoff,<br /><br />The whole illegal thing again? I had hoped that you would have found better way to help golfers.<br /><br />Hopefully some day.<br /><br />JGJohn Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491131667997883861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-37055259897113442222010-11-16T17:09:50.256-08:002010-11-16T17:09:50.256-08:00Templeton has a million better things than the cha...Templeton has a million better things than the charts, including many points about surface contour. I recommend you read a book and leave the "hypocritical" comments in your pocket until you take a look. I don't teach Templeton charts, and I disagree with a thing or two in Templeton as well, including his approach to delivery speed, which is a pretty critical point to the whole enterprise of putting. On the whole, however, Templeton is way way ahead of the AimPoint physics and perception issues about green reading and ball-surface interaction. It's astonishing how much territory he plowed all by himself. Every page has at least one interesting tidbit that is still largely unknown by golf teachers. If you read Templeton's book, you'd know why I praise it. Let me know when you read it so we can talk again.Geoff Mangumhttp://puttingzone.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-76187778523404534772010-11-16T15:01:46.419-08:002010-11-16T15:01:46.419-08:00Geoff, I've read that you've been teaching...Geoff, I've read that you've been teaching Tempeltons stuff for a long time, but you say AimCharts should be illegal and are "goofy". If that's true, why have you been teaching Templeton for so long. Sounds down right hypocritical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-83774874632095367762010-11-16T08:06:47.478-08:002010-11-16T08:06:47.478-08:00Geoff,
First, apologize for the misspelling of yo...Geoff,<br /><br />First, apologize for the misspelling of your name in my previous comment. I was writing an email to a Jeff and some wires were crossed. I apologize.<br /><br />Second, I wanted to respond to know that I've read your post and will need to give it more thought. I wanted to respond to say thanks for your thoughts and that it will take me some time to digest what you've said, but I appreciate that you took the time to respond.Erik J. Barzeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11994809867820102323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-67562925635149301732010-11-16T07:12:56.550-08:002010-11-16T07:12:56.550-08:00Erik,
My problem with AimPoint is the usual probl...Erik,<br /><br />My problem with AimPoint is the usual problem with technology claiming the moon. This is not the first set of charts or even the best. All these charts use ASSUMPTIONS and the ones used by the AimPoint folks are a) not wise, and b) not real. That happens when dilletantes rush in ... The whole business of one person SHOWING another where to aim the putter is just a bad one, unless it is simply during practice. My problem is when the line gets crossed from practice to use in play. <br /><br />As to use in practice, I think the AimPoint charts are a bit of a dumb way to teach. The real way is to explain how human perception works to integrate slope direction and steepness, surface speed, elevation change, ball position, distance, grain, wind, etc., in predicting the future actual breaking of the ball and what to make of that for start line and pace. AimPoint short-circuits that learning and substitutes a flawed set of assumptions wrapped in the "imperial robes" of pretentious science. Real science is about the perceptions.<br /><br />As to the cheating, actually I regard yardage books as a cheat and so did the USGA until they caved in to widespread cheating. Caddie books with contour lines and fall lines and steepness measurements that are prepared and sold commercially, and Sky Caddie maps, I also regard as outright cheating when used during the tournament or even a handicap round. Golf is spelled S K I L L. Otherwise it's just mere exercise. Just because people like to cheat doesn't mean someone who values golf should go along with it.<br /><br />So I think ALL serious golfers should regard AimPoint charts as goofy, flawed, and cheating when used in play -- I hope I'm not a lone wolf in what seems to me to be plain, honest respect for the game and for teaching and learning.Geoff Mangumhttp://puttingzone.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-36702410206335227522010-11-16T06:37:00.203-08:002010-11-16T06:37:00.203-08:00Jeff, that argument is fine, but you've gotta ...Jeff, that argument is fine, but you've gotta also take away yardage books and perhaps even vague maps of holes found on tee signs as well.<br /><br />Clearly the most important skill is not hitting the ball with the speed, direction, crispness, etc. but simply one of eyesight.<br /><br />Furthermore, a chart that says 4" outside the left edge will not help you if you've read the green as the wrong type, gotten the speed wrong, not read the slope properly, etc. and the putt is actually 2" outside right.<br /><br />I've heard through the grapevine that you have a big problem with AimPoint in general, and I'd be curious to see your reasons laid out somewhere. As you know I bought and am reading through your stuff, so it'd be interesting to see what you dislike (and maybe what you like) about AimPoint.Erik J. Barzeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11994809867820102323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-22449955129205161182010-11-16T04:41:40.611-08:002010-11-16T04:41:40.611-08:00Dear Erik,
Legal smegal. Who cares if the USGA sa...Dear Erik,<br /><br />Legal smegal. Who cares if the USGA says you can cheat. Golf is a game of skill. To someone who wants to use a chart to read a putt or use a smartphone computer app to calculate the break, I suggest: "If playing a game of skill is not your cup of tea, I suggest you shouldn't play golf." Golfer, clubs, ball, course. That's it.Geoff Mangumhttp://puttingzone.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-32784402649804275072010-04-18T16:58:57.540-07:002010-04-18T16:58:57.540-07:00Geoff, pretty much anything that's recorded or...Geoff, pretty much anything that's recorded or written prior to the start of a round is fair game. Pros on the PGA Tour graph the breaks of each individual green, after all - those are even more precise than a general chart.<br /><br />Not illegal.<br /><br />But that doesn't mean they're useful for anything more than helping to develop a feel. I can't imagine anyone pulling out a chart in the middle of a tournament round.Erik J. Barzeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11994809867820102323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-21425402934233132812010-04-12T06:40:02.707-07:002010-04-12T06:40:02.707-07:00I have a question about whether the charts are &qu...I have a question about whether the charts are "legal" in a USGA stipulated round. YOu write: "The charts conform to USGA rules." I doubt that, since anything that offers advise or assistance about how to play a stroke is illegal. The charts are different from yardage books because they suggest how much break to play with given touch. That ought to be against the Rules, as it surely is against the spirit of golf, and many similar aids have been ruled illegal already, including a sticker to add to a putter shaft to help plumb bob.Geoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12664763981418446219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-87821358917873222132010-01-18T23:41:29.699-08:002010-01-18T23:41:29.699-08:00How were you able to obtain the aim charts? Have ...How were you able to obtain the aim charts? Have you been through the training?Jon Reehoorn - Men's Golf Coachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17446854562517363052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-33471072329340864372009-12-07T15:05:14.354-08:002009-12-07T15:05:14.354-08:00Hi 3Jack! Nice explanation. I would caution golfer...Hi 3Jack! Nice explanation. I would caution golfers, however, that the real skill of reading putts comes from knowing how to perceive the fall line, how to control speed, and how to put those together in a way that allows the golfer to see the start line without a chart but naturally and instinctively. Charts like this are not at all new -- they were around at least in 1984 in HA Templeton's book, Vector Putting: The Art and Science of Reading Greens and Computing Break Dallas TX 1984). Here's what the physicist who wrote the article that the recent AimPoint(R) charts are based upon had to say: des: "Whether the results presented here would help a golfer improve their putting is debatable and, unfortunately, this author has not noticed any improvement in his game." A.R. Penner, The Physics of Putting, Canadian Journal of Physics, 80: 1–14 (2002), p 14. Plus, there's always that dreaded "rub of the green", isn't there?<br /><br />Geoff Mangum<br />PuttingZone.comGeoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12664763981418446219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-14837253032202848262009-11-24T16:10:27.085-08:002009-11-24T16:10:27.085-08:00I've been using Sweeney's conversion chart...I've been using Sweeney's conversion chart with my Breakmaster. Sometimes I get too focused on the line and not enough focus on the speed. I'm realy looking forward to using them more because I think not only are they accurate and take the guesswork out of it, but I think the <b>feedback</b> should be a tremendous help. Provided you have the right read now you can tell if your aim was off and/or if you speed was off.Rich H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00619151630318195719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574495817462192.post-5403775895359676892009-11-24T04:48:52.837-08:002009-11-24T04:48:52.837-08:00So, how's it been going with them? I highly r...So, how's it been going with them? I highly recommend picking up a digital level to start training your eye to the slope. Breakmasteer is ok but you have to convert the numbers.johnhttp://www.johngrahamgolf.comnoreply@blogger.com